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Dragon Ball Super PL list
Topic Started: Mar 3 2017, 05:46 PM (2,954 Views)
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This list encompasses everything shown up to this point in the Super anime.
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I'm curious about one thing. What do you make of vegeta turning super saiyan to beat frost, who piccolo held his own against? Would you agree that U6/7 tournament piccolo should be around ssjg goku level?

Power level list looks ok btw
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All Piccolo did was stall against weakened Frost in order to charge up Special beam cannon. It was stated that he stood no chance against Frost, so saying that Piccolo was comparable to tired Frost at all makes no sense.

Of course Piccolo isn't SSJG level. Not even close.
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Frost needed to stay in his final form though. And piccolo was dodging his attacks. Does that count for anything?
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Frost staying in his final form doesn't mean anything. Final form Frost is still above the Adult Base Saiyans whom are massively more powerful than Piccolo since they are >SSJ3 Gotenks.
Piccolo dodging Frost's attacks doesn't mean much. The narrative makes it clear that Piccolo stands no chance and it's not like much weaker fighters haven't been shown to dodge much stronger characters(Goku vs Nappa).
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He did much more than dodging his attacks

Piccolo canceled out one frosts blasts with his antennae beam and later he was blocking his punches. He even took a coupe hits from him after and was fine and could still fight

Frost was definitely stronger but it doesn't seem like he's in a totally different league
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And base weakened kid Trunks was canceling out Broly's ki blasts with one of his own. Setting off another blast with your own isn't really a feat.

Blocking punches doesn't really put them at comparable tiers and the narrative states that Piccolo had no chance. Piccolo isn't stronger than SSJ3 Gotenks.
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Frost got in two good hits on him though and piccolo was fine. Ssjg goku should be able to one shot piccolo if piccolo is still not much stronger than he was in the buu saga. And how does being able to catch all of frosts punches not put piccolo in the same league at all?

Goku said that he has no chance but he's proven wrong I guess because piccolo held his own
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SSJG Goku can one shot Piccolo. How is that even a question?

That's not the correct way to interpret it. If the narrative states that Piccolo has no chance and Piccolo agrees, then his performance isn't meant to give off the impression that he would be capable of beating tired Frost.
The only chance he stood was charging a special beam cannon that was far beyond his limits.
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Well the narrative and what happened aren't in line with each other but...the fact is that piccolo held his own lol

And for what it's worth goku said piccolo stood no chance against cell either but it's not like cell was hundreds of times stronger than him
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What the narrative says trumps anyone's interpretation on what they think happened.

Piccolo standing no chance is an assertion that he agrees to. The most he does against Frost is stall. No, not getting one shotted doesn't put him close to Frost's level. Base Goku vs 50% Freeza is a good example of this.

The only way he could win against a tired Frost is by charging a special beam cannon stated to be far beyond his limits. Nobody said anything about tired Frost being hundreds of times stronger than Piccolo.
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I know the narrative is important what if you are the one interpreting it wrong?

Not standing a chance doesn't necessarily mean frost is hundreds if not thousands of times stronger.

Goku vs 50% Frieza isn't exactly the same. Frost said he wanted to end it quickly. He's not trying to toy with piccolo like how Frieza did with goku

And again, goku said piccolo stood no chance against cell. That doesn't mean cell is THAT much stronger

All goku's comparison between piccolo and frost means is that frost will definitely win. Goku didn't predict piccolo's plan though. With the special beam cannon tactics piccolo did have a chance. But just comparing frost and piccolo's power levels, which is what goku did, piccolo wouldnt win. But again that doesn't necessarily mean piccolo 1/1000th of the power of frost. That's ridiculous
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Why do you have Freeza's final form barely over 2x his first? It was a 226x increase on Namek and nothing suggests it's different in Super.
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I don't have tired Frost hundreds or thousands of times stronger than Piccolo.

We already have a hierarchy of Tired Frost>Base Saiyans>Gotenks=Boo>Piccolo.

All that matters is that Piccolo stands no chance against tired Frost based on his power level and his only hope is a heavily amped special beam cannon.


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Nothing suggests that a 226x boost is a rule of thumb. Frieza's final form on Namek just happened to be 226 times stronger than his first form and nothing hints at the writers applying any sort of static formula to Frieza's transformations like the Super Saiyan transformations.
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Vegeta in his base form should be ssjg tier yet he needed to turn Ssj to one shot frost, who is stronger than the base saiyans, but frost couldn't one shot piccolo

So piccolo is somewhere around ssjg tier as well no?
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